Showing posts with label Teaching the Trivium. Show all posts
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Friday, May 2, 2014

The Finishing Level: Education Never Stops!

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about how education continues even past the Rhetoric Stage. 



Chapter 15 -The Finishing Level: Ages Nineteen and Onward


This is (pretty much) the last chapter in the book.  Wow!  I can't believe that we made it through all 400+ pages!  Next week we will have a concluding discussion, so go ahead and read the conclusion and thumb through the Appendix.  Then we will resume in June for our next book (more on that in a later post!)

The trivium is more than a curriculum, it is a way of life.   (page 433)

That is so true!  Classical education is about creating a culture of learning, discussion, and contemplation.  The school years are just the preparation for a life filled with these things.  This chapter is all about life beyond their formal academic years.

In your mind, what are you preparing your child for?  What is the goal of your homeschooling?  Are you preparing your child for a good job?  To go to college? To be a productive citizen?  To be a light in the dark world?  To be ready for marriage?

I think that all these things have merit.  The Bluedorns argue that preparing your children for marriage should be the focus of the late teen years.  I think they have some good points.  If two people are self-focused, set on pursuing whatever dreams and goals they have, how are they going to transition into a life together?  Marriage is about serving one another, and each person has skills that they will need in order to do this.  We talked about this a bit last week, but it is worth bringing up again.  Readying a child for adulthood includes more than academics, and I think we have mixed up our priorities a bit lately.  I think we could see more solid families if children were purposely taught the skills they need to be husbands, wives, homemakers, fathers, etc.


Principles for Making Decisions and Setting Goals


The Bluedorns list twelve principles for making decisions and setting goals.  A few of them I found extra helpful and interesting.  I will comment on them here.  If you want to discuss any of the others, just bring them up in the comments!


Instill in your children the desire to listen to advice from their elders.

I think every child thinks they are wise.  Dare I say, the most wise?  I remember thinking this way.  Hey, I probably still think this way!  They made a good point of modeling this behavior for our children.  I don't think I would have thought of that!  Even as adults, we can practice respect and being teachable.


Accumulate Multigenerational Wisdom

I have to admit that I just don't typically think this way.  Do you?  I think my husband and I are more "family of God" focused than physical family focused.  Here is what the Bluedorns have to say.  I'm not saying it's wrong, it is just not how I've been taught to think.  What do you think?

The goal is for a family to accumulate wisdom for making decisions, and to pass that wisdom on to each succeeding generation.  (pg 435)


Don't work without clear goals.  Yes!


Learn to sort the necessities from the niceties.

I think this is so huge!  We are all so prone to think that we deserve things just because they are available, or because we see that others have them.  We really need to consciously practice contentment.  The Bluedorns also apply this principle to the things you choose to do: the must-dos, should-dos, and might-be-a-nice-idea-to-dos.


Limitations may be your greatest opportunities.

Wow, this is a good, but hard one.  It is so easy to get discouraged or resentful when things don't go our way.  They give the example of Joseph being sold to the Egyptians and then put in prison.  That would have been an easy time to become resentful.  Little did Joseph know that God was preparing him to be in just the right place and position to save his family from starvation (along with many other people!)  If we can teach our children to have this attitude, they will be well served.


A boy's goal is to develop a livelihood.

This is especially good to remember in these recent days.  We seem to be in a culture of boys who never want to grow up, let alone take responsibility for a family.  Parents, teach your boys to be hard workers and good providers!



A girl's goal is to be a homemaker.

I know these are fighting words in many circles, but they are so true.  Not saying anything about what else a girl does with her life, our daughters do need to learn to take care of their (future) homes.  Homemaking is looked down upon these days, so many people are reluctant to teach these skills.  That is too bad.  Moms, will you teach your daughters all you know about keeping a home?  If you feel like you are not adequately prepared, will you learn along with her?

I really liked this:

If we train up our daughters to live independently, then guess what?  That's how they're likely to live.  If they enter a marriage with an independent spirit, and without the skills to motherhood and homemaking, they guess what?  It is likely that their home will lack peace and harmony...On the other hand, if we prepare our daughters to marry - to have a submissive spirit, to care for others, and to rule their homes - then will we be surprised if they become loving wives and mothers with orderly and peaceful homes?    (pg. 438)

I know I could benefit from a little more order and peace!  What about you?  What do you desire for your daughters?  What do you desire for your sons?


What about college?


The next part of the chapter is all about college.  What are your thoughts about college these days?  Honestly, my opinion of college is getting lower and lower =)  The Bluedorns give lots of reasons why not going to college might be a better choice.  This post is already really long, so I'm not going to discuss all of them, but I would love to hear what you think!  Will you encourage your children to pursue college?

If we took a snapshot of the idea product of this (classical) education, what would he look like?  He knows how to learn from books.  He knows how to train his hands to perform a skill, and to train his mind to think.    (pg 445)





Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!


Next week we will be finishing up our discussion of Teaching the Trivium.  If you don't have your own copy, I still recommend getting your hands on a copy!  Check your library or order one soon.  Feel free to comment on any past book club posts, because I'm always happy to keep the conversation going!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, April 25, 2014

10 Things To Do With Children Ages 16-18

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about teaching children in the Rhetoric Stage. 

Today I'm writing you from Cincinnati, OH.  I am here for the Great Homeschool Convention!  My husband and I enjoyed the first day of sessions and are looking forward to a full day tomorrow.   


Chapter 14 - Ten Things To Do With Your Children Ages Sixteen Through Eighteen


I can't believe that we are nearing the end of this book!  Today we are talking about the rhetoric stage, and I believe that there are two more chapters after this one.

The Bluedorns talk about how this final stage of the trivium should really be comprised of two parts.  Of course there should be the education component, but there also needs to be an aspect of preparing our children for their adult life.  This chapter is broken down into the 10 things to do with children in the rhetoric stage and then three goals to have as far as preparation goes.

They say that in the rhetoric stage, you go from "coaching and correcting...to coaxing and directing."

A Suggested Course of Study


Like in the last stage, I do not have any expertise in the rhetoric stage, so I will run through the ten items and comment on things that I found interesting.


Family Worship 
  • This should comprise of a systematic study of theology, plus personal devotion time.

Reading Aloud 
  • Continue to read aloud, even to your older children.  Some books might be repeats of ones they heard when they were younger, but that's ok!

History and Literature 
  • History should definitely be studied chronologically now.  It will look similar to in the last stage, but it should be more challenging material.

Rhetoric (Lots of great resources listed!)
  1. Read everyday
  2. Write everyday
  3. Perform speeches or interpretive readings every month

Government, Economics, and Law


Languages
  • "Unless the student plans on regular encounters with a modern foreign language, such as in missionary work, the study of ancient Latin and Greek will prove much more useful than the study of, for example, modern French, Spanish, or German."  (pg. 422)

Logic
  • "The principles of logic apply to absolutely everything."  (pg. 422)
  
Mathematics
  • Some students will want to go on to the higher maths, others will want to learn math that will help them in their future plans (computer science, accounting, etc.)
  
Science
  • "The study of science will take the most diverse directions during the Wisdom {rhetoric} Level."  (pg 426)

Art and Music
  • Formal lessons continued or art and music appreciation

Beyond Academics


I underlined a lot in this section =)  Some of you may not agree with the stereotypical gender roles it assumes, but honestly I love it.  I love how God created men and women with different strengths and abilities.  I believe that men and women are capable (generally speaking) of doing anything, but that doesn't mean that they are naturally good or gifted at certain things (or that they should do certain things).  I also think that the family is a crucial building block of the church and of society.  I don't want to dive deeper into that right now, but feel free to leave comments or questions below.

Here are some things I found interesting in this section:

  • A parent's role will slowly change from instructor to counselor in the rhetoric stage.
  • All children will study the same subjects, but they should approach the subjects differently (depending on their future goals).
  • We need to be preparing our children for marriage.
  • Modeling a good marriage is the first step of preparing our children for marriage.
  • Boys must be mentored by their fathers to learn how to be the spiritual leader of their future families.
  • Boys must prepare to support their future families (of course not everyone will marry, but the vast majority do).
  • Girls must learn the basics of keeping a home and mothering.

I think that the art of 'family' is bring lost and I find that very sad.  Family just isn't prioritized any more and therefore, the skills needed to run every aspect of a family are not being passed down from mothers and fathers to daughters and sons.  My mother was wonderful and I learned many things from here, but looking back I wish that there was even more instruction and direction.  That being said, I don't know if I would have wanted it at that point =)

If we accomplish our goal of a good classical liberal arts education balanced with a good classical Hebrew education, then we will have produced some straight and sharp arrows for God's use.  (pg. 429)




Do you have children in the rhetoric stage?

How have you prepared your children for their adult life?

How did your parents prepare you for your adult life?





Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!


Next week we will be talking about chapter fourteen of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, April 11, 2014

10 Things To Do With Your Children Ages 13-15

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about teaching children in the Logic Stage.


Chapter 13 - Ten Things To Do With Your Children Ages Thirteen Through Fifteen


The Bluedorns place the logic stage from ages 13-15.  As I read this chapter I had to keep reminding my self that we were still in the logic stage, because typically when I think of 15 year olds, I'm thinking rhetoric stage.  Just like in the previous chapter, they go through ten things to be focusing on with your children that are in the 13-15 year age range.  Early in the chapter they state,

"Early teens are developing into thinking, reasoning, questioning creatures.  They are no longer content to know what happened; they want to know why."




What age have you noticed your children transition from the grammar stage to the logic stage?





Before getting into the meat of the chapter, the Bluedorns give an encouragement to parents to keep on keeping on with homeschooling, even as their children get older.  They note that as children grow and the material they need to learn gets harder, many parents give up or assume that the children would be better served in a classroom school.  I loved what they said on page 394:

Homeschooling is for parents...We now have another opportunity to learn these things as we teach them to our children.




What are your homeschooling plans as your children get older?  

Do you want to continue homeschooling or do you think you will send them to school?




Instead of going through each of the 10 things one-by-one this time, I am going to just pull out some key points.  As we get to these older levels, I feel less able to comment and more like I'm just soaking in information!  I hope that some of your with children in (or past) this stage will provide some further insight!


Logic Stage Students Should Be...


  • Developing theologically.  "He does not just know what the Bible says...he is developing an idea of what it means."  (pg 394)

  • Continuing in oral narration

  • Using maps and timelines to orient themselves to events in history

  • Transitioning to written narration. Just a few sentences at first, then progressing to passages.

  • Writing essays and creative stories

  • Speaking in front of other, either by doing speeches or debates

  • Continuing in their Greek and/or Latin studies

  • Continuing in their Math

  • Increasing their science discoveries by beginning a systematic study of the difference fields of science

  • Learning to play an instrument, draw, or at least appreciate the art and music of others


The Father's Role


At the end of the chapter, the Bluedorns take a page to talk about the role of the father in the homeschool family.  I really liked a few things they had to say in this section:

The classical homeschool is not just Latin and Logic.  It is a way of life. (pg 409)

So true!  I'm sure any of you could second  that statement.  I think most homeschoolers in general could affirm this, whether they are classical in method or not.

Daddy only has so much time with the children, so make the best use of it. (pg 409)

I'm trying to remember this one =)  Sometimes I get a little nervous when my husband starts teaching the kids something, simply because it is not on "The Plan."  After the initial nervousness, I realize how awesome it is that my son loves looking at maps with my husband and what a great asset it is that my husband can teach my son those things in a natural way!

Also, the Bluedorns mention a scenario when a dad might call for his son to help him with something and that would pull the son away from his books.  They say, "by all means, let the lawn mower win."  I was encouraged by that =)




How is Dad involved in your homeschool?

Are their certain subjects that your husband teaches the kids?





Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!


Next week we will be talking about chapter thirteen of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, April 4, 2014

10 Things To Do With Your Children Ages 10-12

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about teaching children in the Later Knowledge Level.


Chapter 12 - Ten Things To Do With Your Children Ages Ten Through Twelve

The Bluedorns observe the starting of the formal grammar stage age 10.  Just like in the previous chapter, they go through ten things to be focusing on with your children that are in the 10-12 year age range.  Early in the chapter they state, "This is approximately the age when children are ready for more formal academics.  Around age ten, the light bulb goes on."



What age have you noticed this 'light bulb' go off in your children?




I do not have children this old yet, so I can only trust that they are right about this.  I am slowly trying to process their distinction between formal and informal academics.  I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't continue teaching a little child who is soaking up information.  I think, though, that the Bluedorn's point is not what you are teaching your children, but how you are teaching them.  Am I getting that correctly?

For instance, when both of my kids were learning letter recognition at age 2, I noticed they were learning that and I started making sure that we would cover each letter.  Once they recognized each letter we started  talking about the sounds they make.  That was at age 3.  In my mind, the natural progression is to sit down for 10 minutes or so a few times a week and slowly start to put letter sounds together and eventually begin to read.  Both of my kids followed this progression exactly the same.  My daughter is almost 4 and she is beginning to read simple books.  My son took off in his 4 year old year and now at age 5 he can read chapter books and does for a few hours a day.  He is able to learn so much more than I am able to teach him because of this.  It seems to me that this was more the direction outlined in The Well Trained Mind that we read together this past summer.  Teaching the Trivium says it's better to wait, and even if your child is 8 or 9, no big deal.


Family Worship


Not surprisingly, worshiping together as a family should still be a priority.  You should study the scriptures and memorize passages together.


Literature and Reading Aloud


Continue reading aloud to your children for 2 hours a day, but they will also be reading more independently now.  Read fine literature and memorize pieces of poetry.  The Bluedorns suggest staying away from light reading like Hardy Boys, The Boxcar Children, American Girl, etc.  Most homeschoolers love these books!  Even classical sites like Veritas Press recommend Boxcar Children for second grade literature.  Is that the difference?  Are those books not good or should your child just be past them by age 10?



What do you think about books like Hardy Boys, The Boxcar Children, and American Girl?

What literature do you recommend for the 10-12 age group?




History


"By age ten, your child should be reading from history and narrating it back to you." (pg 347)  Sounds good to me!  They say that you can either study history chronologically or based on your child's interest.  This veers a bit from the typical classical method, but I know they are not claiming to be classical purists, only applying the trivium to each subject.

I remember hearing someone say once that if your child is really interested in another time period than what you are studying, take a week off and let that child enjoy reading and researching about that favorite period or person.  After that week or so, jump back in where you left off.  That should satisfy your child and also you can tell them to look forward to learning more about it when you get back to that time period again!  I thought that sounded like a good idea.  Does anyone know where I'm getting that from?  I feel like I heard it recently....oh well.

Make sure you are keeping a timeline and a history notebook to keep everything organized and to easily be able to look back at what you have already learned.


Composition


"By age ten, your child should be writing something everyday." (pg. 352)  Letters to family or friends, copywork, dictation, journaling, anything to get them beginning to learn about writing.

I was encouraged and challenged by a few things the end of this section. (pg 356) 

"Perfectionism can break the spirit of a child."

I definitely don't require things to be prefect, but it's good to keep in mind how my children might see that =)  I want to be sensitive to how they perceive my critiques.

"Dictation should be a teaching session, not only a testing session."

Good food for thought =)


Spelling and English Grammar


Just like in math, the Bluedorns talk about age 10 being when a child's brain is ready to really learn about grammar.  Many families start in 1st grade, but they do not recommend it.  We talk about parts of speech as we come to them, but so far we haven't done any formal grammar instruction.



What are your favorite resources for teaching grammar?




Once again, they recommend a notebook for grammar.  Keep a section for dictation, spelling rules,  grammar, sentence diagramming, etc.


Latin and Greek


By this age, hopefully your child will know the Greek alphabet.  Now is the time for memorizing known Bible passages in Greek and doing copywork.  You can also memorize common phrases in Latin.  Once your child gets the writing and speaking part down, you can start studying Greek grammar.  Get yourself another notebook!  This time for Greek or Latin grammar (or one for each!)


Early Logic


The Bluedorns don't recommend any sort of formal logic studies yet, but they say it's a great time for early logic activities!  They recommend the books Building Thinking Skills for making the transition to formal logic more gentle!


Arithmetic


The Bluedorns spend the majority of the section talking about why to not do math before age 10. We already talked a bit about delayed formal education, so I won't say any more, but I'd love to discuss in the comments if you have any more thoughts on the subject!

Once your child is 10, they say to drill math facts if they haven't picked them up already.  They also recommend Saxon as a math text from this point on.  


Science


The Bluedorns take a very relaxed approach to science for this age child.  It seems very Charlotte Mason to me (not saying that is bad =)  They recommend having your child keep a nature book, spending plenty of time outdoors, doing experiments about things they are interested in, and reading something science related each day.

I don't mind this relaxed way of approaching science for elementary aged students, but I do still prefer a systematic study of science.  I don't think it has to be rigorous (by any means!) but I think it is beneficial  to approach it in a logical manner.  What do you think?



How do you study science with your upper elementary aged children?





Art and Music


The Bluedorns say you can begin a formal art or music program at this time if you would like.  Or you can just surround your child with great tools to create their own projects and resources so they can observe great pieces of art and music.


At the end of the chapter, they spend a little time answering a few questions, summing up the 10 things to be focusing on, and sharing a sample schedule.




What did you think of this chapter?

Do you follow these ideas with your 10-12 year old children?

What idea from this chapter might you start implementing now?






Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!


Next week we will be talking about chapter thirteen of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, March 28, 2014

10 Things To Do With Your Child Before Age 10 - Ch. 11 Teaching the Trivium

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to be reading and discussing this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you! 

This week is going to be a bit different.  See, last year I did a whole series on this chapter.  At that time I didn't even realize that it was a chapter from Teaching the Trivium, because the Bluedorn's have it on their website, Trivium Pursuit.  I took each of the "10 Things" and wrote a post on it.  Then later I wrote a second post, following up to see how I was doing at implementing that thing.

I'm going to link here to each of those posts for you to browse through as you wish.  Feel free to join the discussion by commenting on this post or on any of posts below.


















Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!


Next week we will be talking about chapter twelve of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, March 21, 2014

Different Methods of Homeschooling in Light of the Trivium

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about homeschooling methods.


Chapter 10 - Different Methods and Approaches to Homeschooling in Light of the Trivium


Today we are talking about how you can apply the principles of the trivium to different homeschooling methods.  Honestly I had never really though about applying the trivium outside of the classical model before.  This chapter was very interesting to me!

First, the Bluedorns go through six different general homeschooling methods and evaluate how the principles of the trivium would fit with each of them.  Here are the six methods:

  1. Scope and Sequence Method
  2. Charlotte Mason Method
  3. Unschooling Method
  4. The Unit Study Approach
  5. The Formal Classical Approach
  6. The Principle Approach

I'm not going to go through each of them.  I'm mostly going to talk about the Charlotte Mason method, just because it has always had a place in the back of my mind.  I really like the gentle manor of that method and it does me well to strive for it =)  If you want to talk about any of the other methods, either write up a post and link it at the end, or leave a comment and we can all chat more there!




Are you a true classical educator or do you take more of the applied trivium approach to another method?





The Charlotte Mason Method and the Trivium


When I think of the Charlotte Mason method of homeschooling, I always see the similarities to classical homeschooling.  Thanks to the Bluedorns, now I see that it has a lot to do with how it easily applies the principles of the trivium, and not necessarily because it is strictly classical in nature.

Both methods like to study history chronologically and understand subjects in a logical sequence.  Both methods use narration, copywork, living books, and desire to create in their students a love of learning (leading to self-education).

They differ fairly greatly in the grammar stage.  The classical model sees a child's great ability to absorb information and requires lots of memorization in the early years.  The Charlotte Mason method takes a much gentler approach to the early years, focusing on training in habits, self-control, character, etc.

Honestly, I think both are true =)  The main problem for me is that there are only so many hours in the day.  I love seeing my children memorize incredible amounts of information, but going through our memory box takes up a chunk of our homeschool day.  I deeply desire to train my children in the ways of Charlotte Mason, but shamefully I am not always consistent with my efforts.  I am hoping to be more purposeful with that this summer.  Maybe I'll call it the Charlotte Mason Summer!

For the most part, the Habitual Method of Charlotte Mason and the Applied Trivium fit together quite well.  They complement and reinforce each other.  When combined, they enrich the homeschool experience.   pg.281


Formal Versus Non-Formal Early Academics


The last part of the chapter is spent talking about delayed formal academics.  This is where I believe the Bluedorns stray from the traditional path of classical education.  I understand now why they say that the approach they prescribe is the applied trivium, not so much the formal classical method. Their approach on this topic lines up more closely with the Charlotte Mason method.  This is also why their suggested ages in past chapters have seemed a little behind compared to other classical sources that I have read.

I am certainly not a professional, but I do have lots of thoughts and questions about this topic.  I see children as young as preschool age with amazing capacities to learn.  My thought thus far has been "why waste this!"  Both of my kids started reading at age 3 and having regular school times then too.  That being said, the lessons are not long and I wouldn't consider them 'formal' like traditional school.  I can't imagine not continuing to fill them with information as they increase in abilities.

The Bluedorns talk about the importance of instilling a good moral foundation in the early years.  They say that foundation will lead to a more productive academic future.  I completely agree.  We emphasize this in my home from toddler age up.  It is hard to be consistent, though, and I am happy to be encouraged to work hard at it!

They also talk about how early academics can cause problems in a child's brain.  This worries me a little bit!

We emphasize that the physical properties of the brain should be fully developed before engaging in those activities which place stress on those properties.

I don't think I've really heard anyone talk like this before.  How are you to know when your child's brain is developed in different areas?  Can anyone shed any light on this topic?

The Bluedorns said two things that were directed right at me.  First, that parents "may expect their children to perform at adult levels of ability." (pg 291)  I certainly don't mean to to this to my children, but I know that I have caught myself thinking this way before.

Secondly, "they may simply be trying to find ways to keep the curious little rascals plenty busy and out of trouble." (pg 291)  This was the case with my first born.  From baby on up, he was not one to entertain himself or to be happy in an imaginary world.  He needed my presence and direction in order to be content.  That is why I started set preschool times with him at age 2.  My daughter is completely the opposite.  From the time she was a baby, she has been able to happily entertain herself.  She loves to sit for an hour making cards or coloring pictures.  She will play in her room with her play kitchen or dressing up.  I've said many times that if she was my firstborn, I probably wouldn't have started any formal type school time until she was in kindergarten.



What do you think about delayed formal education?

How do you apply that concept to your homeschool?





I think what I need to keep in mind is this (pg 292):

"Never discourage a child from learning, but neither should we over press academics to the point of strain or exasperation." 





Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!


Next week we will be talking about chapter eleven of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, March 7, 2014

The Study of Historical Literature - Teaching the Trivium Ch. 9

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about studying historical literature.


Chapter 9 - An Application of Principles for the Study of Historical Literature


In chapter 8 we talked about things we need to consider when reading classic literature.  This week we are looking specifically at history and seeing how the principles we talked about last week apply to historical literature.  The Bluedorns provide us with an awesome timeline at the end of this chapter that synchronizes world events, Biblical literature, and secular literature.  This timeline is specifically for the period of the Ancient Greeks, but it serves as a great example of what can be done for any time period.

An Introduction to the Study of History


Before they get to the timeline, the Buledorns talk a little about history in general.

History is the teller of stories.  It is a narration of events in the order in which they occurred.   (pg. 243)


Historical Fact vs Historical Record

Even when we have primary sources, we do not necessarily have the facts of what happened in history.  I had never really thought about this before, but it makes sense that whoever is recording the event is telling it from their perspective and from their preconceived notions. 

They gave the example of watching a magic show.  The realty (historical fact) of what happened at a magic show will be very different than how an audience member recounts it (historical record). 

This is something good to remember when reading historical literature.


Primary vs Secondary Sources

Primary sources are records from people who actually witnessed an event.  Secondary sources are people who study primary sources (or even other secondary sources) and then share their own record.  Even though historical fact can be different than even a primary source, it is still considered to be more accurate than a secondary source.

The more times a story has been handled, ordinarily the less reliable it becomes, because interpretations and biases are usually attached with each handling.   (pg. 224-245)

I thought it was interesting what they said about ancient literature.  The true primary source records we have only go back so far.  For the early ancient civilizations, we don't have any primary sources (aside from the Bible), so we have to take the earliest secondary sources as our best account.  We call these principle sources (for example, Homer and the Trojan War).


A Literary Timeline (753-698 BC)


The last half of the chapter is a really neat literary timeline for the period of the Ancient Greeks.  Really, it is a chart showing what was going on in each area (Judah, Israel, Egypt, Assyria/Babylon/Persia, Greece, and Rome) for each year, and then what literature (broken down in to Biblical and secular) corresponds.

If you are reading along and like this timeline, or if you are just following our discussion here and think this sounds interesting, you'll want to know that the Bluedorns have an entire book dedicated to a literary timeline of ancient history.  I have it and it is a wonderful resource!
  Ancient History from Primary Sources, A Literary Timeline  




How do you choose what literature to read along with your history studies?

Do you have any favorite resources that help you decide?






Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!







Next week we will be talking about chapter ten of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, February 28, 2014

Principles for the Study of Literature - Teaching the Trivium Ch. 8

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about literature.


Chapter 8 - Principles for the Study of Literature


The big question of this chapter was what kind of literature is worthwhile of our time, and what principles should guide our decision making when it comes to picking the literature we have our children read.

Culture


The first almost 20 pages of the chapter are devoted to talking about culture.  

Culture consists of those products of work and thought, from a given community of men, which are transmitted across generations.  This includes customs, habits, traditions, language, literature, arts, skills, technologies, beliefs, philosophies, governments, laws, institutions, and anything else which characterizes the activities of men.   (pg 193)

The point is that when we read the literature from civilizations past, we are learning their culture.  Sometimes this is good for us, and sometimes we need to be careful.  Sometimes the culture will encourage us toward the goals we have for our family, and other times it will promote things that do not serve our purposes.  Many times in the chapter, the Bluedorns made the point that if (as Christians) we are going to read secular literature, we have to be able to redeem it for our purposes.  I don't know that I've ever really heard anyone say it that way before.



Before your read this chapter, did you consider the culture of the literature your kids were reading?  

If so, how does that impact how your approach pieces of literature?




Literature


The rest of the chapter deals with literature itself.  What are the classics?  How do you classify literature?  How do you choose what to read?

The Bluedorns define classic literature as "What is of good form and lasting value."  They acknowledge that there can be differences in what people think fits this criteria.

What I also really appreciated is how they encouraged us that there is only so much time in the day, so not to worry about tackling everything or missing something.


If someone shared their long list of classics which their children are reading, then do not begin to doubt or fret, but look back at your list of principles and stick to them...Require your child to read those classical works which agree with your family's principles, and forget the rest.    (pg. 221-222)




How do you decide what classic literature to have your children read?  

Do you have a certain criteria that books must meet?  

How do you approach subject matter that is contrary to how you believe?




So far I have had to deal with this very little since my kids are young.  The Bluedorns do give some advice as to how to redeem literature that is not in line with your family's beliefs.  One of their suggestions is to critique the writing and compare it to what you believe.  My husband and I definitely don't expose our children to inappropriate things, but we don't keep things away from them either.  If we encounter something that is different than what we believe then we take the opportunity to talk through how the particular situation lines up with the Bible.  I know this will get harder as my kids grow and are exposed to much more!




Thanks for reading along this week!  Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!







Next week we will be talking about chapter nine of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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Friday, February 21, 2014

Teaching Rhetoric - Teaching the Trivium Ch. 7

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Welcome to another week of the Teaching the Trivium book club!  I am so excited to read and discuss this book along with you.  I loved the discussion last week and would love to hear from more of you!  Today we talk about rhetoric.


Chapter 7 - Teaching Rhetoric


"Every subject has it's own rhetoric."  Rhetoric is the "creative expression of sound conclusions." (pg. 175) 

I really enjoyed this chapter because it brings everything together.  I am very narrow sighted, just beginning to teach my children the grammar of each subject.  This chapter helped me see the light at the end of the tunnel.  This is what we are striving for!

By the rhetoric stage, our children have learned the facts about the world around them.  They have thought about this information and drawn conclusions.  Now they must learn to express these conclusions clearly, persuasively, accurately, and interestingly.

Grammar is no goal, and Logic is no goal...if we have no output, then we have nothing.  pg. 176


Principles for Learning Rhetoric


While there are different formal programs for learning rhetoric, the Bluedorns say that practice is the best method for increasing your communication skills.  In fact, they said that no matter what curriculum you choose to use, it must include activities in public speaking.



How do you facilitate the practice of rhetoric for your children? (Debate team, giving speeches, etc.)





Next, the chapter goes on to talk about developing rhetoric skills in our children.  I thought this quote was very inspiring for me and I think it can be applied to any stage of the trivium.

Require enough to press him, but not to break him.  The younger years require patience and trust, yet firmness and steady pressure.  pg.179

Here are some ideas the Bluedorns give for preparing your child for their study of rhetoric (many more or listed in the book):

  • Instill a love of learning in your child
  • Fill your children's minds with good examples by having them do copywork, dictation, outlining, and narration
  • Sharpen their minds and voices by having them do oral narrations, recitations, and interpretations
  • Practice letter and journal writing
  • Let them listen to live speeches, debates, etc.


The chapter ends again with suggestion of  how to teach rhetoric at each age range:

  • Before age 10 - Build their vocabulary through reading to them and talking to them in challenging ways (including letting them listen to adult conversations like preaching, debates, etc.)
  • Ages 10-12 - Focus on grammar and spelling.  Shift from recitation to interpretation of prose and poetry.
  • Ages 13-15 - Teach them how to compose different types of papers and require regular writing projects from them.
  • Ages 16-18 - Let them continue to increase their rhetoric knowledge and practice their skills is front of others.

Influencing the World with Rhetoric


I remember sitting in a basic college writing class and being startled at the inability of some of classmates to write cohesive sentences.   I am not a "let's go conquer the world!" type of girl, but if someone asks me a question, I want to be able to answer them well.  If I am presented with a problem, I want to be able to confidently and convincingly explain my proposed solution.

I strongly believe in the sovereignty of God, so my main goal is not to change the world or turn America into a Christian nation, but I want to do what is put before me to the best of my ability.  I want to be able to give an answer for what I believe in, and I want to encourage others to do what is right.  All of these things require basic rhetoric skills.

My point is that even if your goal for your children isn't to give speeches for the rest of their lives, convincing everyone they meet to change their mind about something, being eloquent, concise, and persuasive are skills that will be useful in everyday life.

  


Do you have rhetoric age children in your home?

How do you foresee their training in rhetoric being a worthwhile study?

What resources do you use to teach rhetoric?





Leave comments here on the blog post, or share about it on social media (#ClassicalMamasRead).  I'll be sharing too, so follow me on facebook, twitter, or google+ and we can chat about it there as well!  Don't forget, if you want to share your thoughts about Teaching the Trivium on your own blog, link it up below so we can all come and visit!







Next week we will be talking about chapter eight of Teaching the Trivium.  If you haven't gotten your own copy yet, make sure you check your library or order one soon so you can be ready for next time!  Also, this is a 600+ page book, so I am only touching on certain points of each chapter.  There is so much great information that I am not covering, so if this discussion interests you, you are going to want to make sure to pick up your own copy so you can read more!



Classical Mamas Read Link-Up



Did you write about Teaching the Trivium on your blog?  Have you been reading and blogging about another book (for you, not a children's book)?  Do you have a book club going on at your blog (once again, not for a children's book)?  I'd love for you link up here so we can all be encouraged by each other and maybe find another great book to read!

I think I'm going to keep this link-up ongoing since there aren't going to be a huge number of posts and then anyone new will be able to be encouraged by the other book reading ideas and discussions.  If the number of posts gets too large, I will fix it.

Please note, all posts must be on topic (about a book you are reading) and appropriate (think family friendly).


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